Monday, September 04, 2006

Kinky, Immigration, Minutemen, and Race

Here's Kinky's latest blather on immigration:

"My immigration policy is 'Remember the Alamo.'"


Would someone please tell Kinky that "Remember the Alamo" isn't an immigration policy?

Kinky's latest comments reported by Brandi Grissom of the El Paso Times are distrubing. Kinky says Mexico should face what he calls the "Israeli discount," and Kinky insists our immigration policy should be "ruthless." Here is what else the El Paso Times reports:

He said he supports groups such as the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps because they draw attention to problems on the border.

Asked about his own strategy for securing the border, Friedman said, "I'm not sure. I don't have a plan."

He said he would appoint people who care about the state to develop a plan based on his motto: "Remember the Alamo."

Border safety has deteriorated, Friedman said, because politicians are too afraid to offend Hispanics and get tough on the Mexican government.

"I would tell them (Mexican government officials) to step up to the plate and pay their fair share of the cost illegals are costing the state of Texas," he said. "If they don't do that, then I want the border on the nightly news every night."

...

Responding to Friedman's suggestion that Texas should treat its border as Israel does, Black said: "Wow. That kind of rhetoric is irresponsible. It's not real. It's cartoon rhetoric."


Until this latest about face on the immigration issue, Kinky had been bragging that his Five Mexican Generals plan was a great idea:

“When I talk about the five Mexican generals, people think I’m joking but I’m dead serious. I will divide the border into five jurisdictions, assigning one Mexican general to each and providing a trust fund for that general. Every time a person crosses illegally, we subtract $5,000 from the trust fund.”


Of course, this isn't the first time Kinky has flip-flopped on immigration reform. Kinky has also recently added amnesty for illegal aliens into his grab-bag of doubtable ideas regarding border security. With his announcement that Kinky now favors "amnesty for hard-working illegal immigrants already in this country," Kinky bragged that "I’ve been urging action on the border for over a year."

Going back and listing all the bad ideas that Kinky has proposed with regard to border security makes for very interesting reading.

For example, as the Austin American Statesman noted, "His position on immigration has been wobbly. On March 28, his campaign provided a statement describing Friedman as favoring a guest worker program and language classifying illegal immigrants as felons."

Kinky issued this press release supporting "the construction of 700 miles of security fence along the U.S.-Mexico border and which would make illegal immigration a felony," but Kinky withdrew this press release.

But Kinky has repeatedly mentioned building a fence, and after saying that he would seek the Mexican president's help, Kinky agreed with Bill O'Reilly that we cannot trust Mexico's President to assist with immigration enforcement:

FRIEDMAN: And I want them to help. I mean, good fences...
O'REILLY: Absolutely. That's what they're there for.
FRIEDMAN: ...Good fences make good neighbors, and, Mr. Fox, help us build that fence.
O'REILLY: Well, don't count on help from Mr. Fox because he's getting so much money from this illegal immigration back there.
FRIEDMAN: That's true.


I guess if you don't like Kinky's immigration policy, just wait a while and it will flip the opposite direction.

The internal crosstabs at the latest SurveyUSA poll show that Kinky has the least support of all the candidates among likely Hispanic voters.

Could it be the newspaper interviews where Kinky promises to take "a harder line on immigration" than any of the other candidates and where Kinky says the Tejano protesters marching in favor of immigration reform are "half playing hooky"?

Could it be the other newspaper interviews where Kinky says "Mexico is not a poor country" and "I will divide the border into five jurisdictions, assigning one Mexican general to each and providing a trust fund for that general"?

Maybe it's those interviews where Kinky says "all of these politicians are afraid of offending Hispanics ... I want the border off the evening news until we get something resolved." (Oddly, Kinky now says "I want the border on the nightly news every night" -- just one more 180 degree flip flop on his immigration policy).

Obviously, Kinky is not "afraid of offending Hispanics" – or Black voters, for that matter.

The crosstabs at the SurveyUSA poll show that Kinky has the least support of all the candidates among Black voters. Kinky's support among likely Black voters is down to 6% and down even lower to 4% among those racial minorities who did not list their race. Kinky's paltry level of support is less than half the support among Black voters than even notoriously unpopular Governor Perry receives.

Why is Kinky's support so low among likely Black voters?

What could be diminishing Kinky's support in the Black community to less half the level of the widely disliked governor?

Could it be this video from Kinky's appearance last November on CNBC's "The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch" where Kinky explained his view that criminals should be punished by locking them in prison and making them "listen to a Negro talking to himself"?

Could that be why Kinky is so distrusted in the Black community?

Or perhaps Kinky is so unpopular among Black voters because Donny Deutsch asked if Kinky's statement was possibly a little racist, and Kinky replied that "Negro is a charming word."

If Kinky thinks "Negro is a charming word," I can only guess what Kinky thinks about the phrase "tar baby." The last time Kinky ran for public office, when he ran openly as a Republican, Kinky lost and he was bitter about it. Kinky said he was leaving “that worthless tar baby that is politics.” Just count that as one more broken promise.

No wonder Kinky is the least popular candidate among minority voters in Texas.

PLEASE, IF YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO CARES ABOUT FAIR IMMIGRATION POLICY OR RACE RELATIONS, WARN THEM AGAINST KINKY.

41 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can I challenge you? What is this "FAIR IMMIGRATION POLICY" you speak of? I've heard a lot of ideas, and a lot of reasonable people disagree on this, so I'm genuinely curious what that looks like from your position.

And regarding the rest of your post, let's start here:

Q: Are our border problems important to Kinky?
A: Extremely. Kinky believes the border issue is one of the biggest problems facing Texas today, and it can no longer be ignored. Texas policy under Governor Rick Perry has been "give us your tired, your weak, your poor, your criminals, your drug dealers and your terrorists—welcome to Texas".

If elected, Kinky would meet with Governors Bill Richardson (New Mexico) and Janet Napolitano (Arizona) to develop a coordinated border state plan to supplement federal efforts at stemming the tide of illegal immigration.


That's from kinkyfriedman.com, the most reliable source of information about the Kinkster and therefore rarely, if ever, cited by this blog.

What's up with the democrat and Grandma according to the El Paso Times article you cited?

[the democrat] said he would also work with federal legislators to create a plan that would use billions in payroll taxes from unidentified undocumented immigrants to repay border states for social service costs incurred by undocumented immigrants.

Practically speaking, I think Kinky's five generals plan is far more likely to see the light of day. If Perry, a republican and Bush's hand-picked successor, can't get federal funds down here to secure the border, I don't know how a lightweight like the democrat will.

Asked about her plan for securing the border, [Grandma] said:

I'm rolling out all of my Texas first agenda, but let me tell you: Whatever it takes.

In other words, I don't know, ask me later. At least Kinky is honest when he admits he doesn't have a plan. He's got ideas, ideas he will share with the governors of neighboring states, ideas that will be tested and implemented when he gets in office.

And if you're going to quote Perry's spokesman, you may as well quote him in full:
Perry spokesman Robert Black called the border security ideas Strayhorn and Bell promoted non-plans.

And Kinky is flip-flopping? Your source is an Kilgore News Herald article from July 2005. Can you find something a little more recent? Nevermind, if you actually quoted the article less dishonestly, you'd be admitting the Kinkster has been remarkably consistent:

Mexico is not a poor country. After all, it’s an OPEC (Oil Producing and Exporting Country) country, but the Mexican government doesn’t take care of its people. I can’t screw things up any worse than they already are,” said Friedman.

Which is pretty close to what he said in the El Paso Times:

"I would tell them (Mexican government officials) to step up to the plate and pay their fair share of the cost illegals are costing the state of Texas," he said.

And what he said in the Dallas Morning News chat you also cited:

The Mexican government must step up to the plate. Mexico is a rich country, and they should pay their fair share. My immigration policy is "Remember the Alamo."

And is iron-clad, Bush-like, hard-headedness really what you want in a candidate, especially one who hasn't ever held the office? I give my candidate free reign to learn about an issue and adjust his or her position accordingly. I'm not expecting him or her to come into the office with all the answers. I do trust him or her to make reasoned, intelligent decisions. I trust Kinky.

10:55 AM

 
Anonymous Tom Harrell said...

That anonymous comment is full of crap.

Kinky's website is full of stale one-liners and vague generalities. That website is clearly run by Kinky's "handlers." If you want to get to know the "real" Kinky, you have to see what comes out of his own pie hole, NOT what Kinky's handlers put up on his filtered website.

The immigration issue is just one example of how Kinky's "handlers" filter Kinky's raw comments.

Perry, Strayhorn, and Bell all agree with those generalities about immigration is "extremely" important. As a voter, this generality from Kinky's website doesn't give me ANY information. That's political talk for when you don't have a real plan.

Perry has already met with Bill Richardson and Janet Napolitano, and if elected, Strayhorn and Bell would meet with them, too. How does it give me ANY information whatsoever for Kinky to say he'd meet with other governors? It doesn't!

Bell's plan has the advantage of making those employers who break the law by hiring illegal immigrants pay for the problem that those law-breaking employers helped to create.

Plus Bell's plan is the only plan that insists on fixing our broken immigration laws as part of the solution (why doesn't Kinky understand that?) and the only plan that says "no" to private immigrant vigilantes (how can Kinky endorse the "minutemen"? that's the EXACT sort of thing they'd censor from Kinky's website):

Democratic gubernatorial candidate Chris Bell, a former congressman from Houston, said he agrees that border security must improve. Unlike the other candidates, though, he said security could only happen if immigration laws were also tackled.

He said the call for more fencing in some border areas makes sense, as does the placing of National Guard soldiers on the border as a stopgap measure while more U.S. Border Patrol agents are trained.

He said, however, that a plan Perry announced this summer to spend $5 million to put video cameras on private land along the border and stream the video over the Internet encourages vigilantism.

"I don't think we need to be turning private citizens into immigrant hunters," Bell said.

He added that plans such as Perry's Operation Rio Grande, for which the governor allotted about $10 million in the past year to state and local law enforcement, are not reducing illegal border traffic.


Strayhorn at least tells us that she would continue allowing illegals to receive medical care but she would stop the practice of allowing illegals to receive in-state tuition rates at public universities. Why don't you go to Kinky's website and see if he has addressed mecidal care and tuition for illegals? I'll save you the trip -- he hasn't bothered.

Kinky's flip flops on immigration include:

(1) Kinky was in favor of his 5 Mexican Generals plan then against his own 5 Mexican Generals plan,

(2) Kinky said illegal immigrants already in this counrty should be treated as felons then said illegal immigrants already in this country should get amnesty,

(3) Kinky was in favor of banning immigration from the evening news then in favor of having immigration on the evening news every night,

(4) shall I go on?

The only thing more obvious than the fact that Kinky tries out a new crazy immigration idea every month is the fact that most of Kinky's crazy immigration ideas are just plain illegal.

Maybe you and Kinky think Texas is in charge of hiring Mexican thugs to police the southern US border, but those of us who weren't stoned during our junior high civics classes can tell you that the federal government is in charge of national border security. How come neither you nor Kinky knows this already when every smart 8th grader in Texas knows this?

Maybe you and Kinky think the Texas governor gets to say what is and what is not covered on the evening news, but we have this pesky Constitution, and a little thing called the Bill of Rights, and a minor consideration for freedom of the press and freedon of speech. You and Kinky don't get it, but the rest of us do!

Finally, you say that it's OK with you that Kinky doesn't know crap about the issues because he'll learn on the job. You say "I trust him."

Well, about a year ago I sat in the audience where Kinky was talking about running for office. I heard Kinky say that he was going to vote against the Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage. This issue matters to me because my brother is gay. Kinky plain lied to my face. He did NOT vote against the Amerndment as he promised! Kinky has also lied about voting for Al Gore in 2000 and he lied about voting for Ann Richards in 1994.

Kinky is a liar.

You can trust him, if you're really that foolish, but I sure as hell won't.

1:29 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Simmer down there Sam! The winner of the debate isn't always the one who shouts the loudest.

Endorsing the minutemen? Here's that quote again for you:

He said he supports groups such as the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps because they draw attention to problems on the border.

Find the word endorse in there. I could tell you I support Terri Schiavo's parents for their role in bringing the issue of living wills to light. Am I endorsing them? Hell no.

Handlers? Crikey, there aren't enough handlers on the planet to make Kinky into a proper politician. If you're trying to point out he doesn't compose the content for his website, I bet you're right. And I bet he's not the only one in this race who's delegated certain campaign responsibilities to his subordinates.

Mexican thugs, Constitution, Bill of Right, evening news? Is there an evidence-based argument in there?

People, please, practice responsible blogging. At least StopKinky provides us the sources for these inaccurate portrayals so we can go debunk them ourselves.

3:09 PM

 
Anonymous Tom Harrell said...

Anonymous,

You want a source?

How about this:

en‧dorse  verb, 1. to approve, support, or sustain: to endorse a political candidate.

When Kinky says "he supports groups such as the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps" that means he "endorses" them.

"Supports" means "endorses," idiot.

If you don't think Kinky's image is created and regulated by PR/marketing firms, you are as naive as you are limited in your vocabulary. Kinky has a PR/marketing firm that handles his books and a PR/marketing firm that handles his music and a PR/marketing firm that handles his candidacy. By the way, you know that Kinky has a new album comming out this month, and he's got a campaign book deal, and he got a Country Music Channel reality TV show, but I'm sure Kinky is running for office because he cares deeply about us Texans and it's not some cynical marketing ploy.

Kinky's image is every bit as crafted and calculated as Jessica Simpson's or the Marlborough Man's. Kinky ALWAYS appears in costume. Do you think that's an accident? Do you know ANYONE who never appears in public without his props? In Kinky's case, he never appears in public without his cigar and black hat props. NEVER. Real people don't act like that or dress like that (not staying 100% in character as Kinky does) unless they are play acting. Only Madison Avenue creations act and dress like that. Kinky's image is a scam. He's no more "real" than the Marlborough Man. And you have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.

If you want sources for Kinky's unconstitutional plan to pay armed Mexican thugs to enforce the border, just Google "Five Mexican Generals Plan."

If you want sources for Kinky's flip flop on evening news, first you Google "I want the border on the nightly news every night," then you Google "I want the border off the evening news until we get something resolved."

Regarding, the Constitution's Bill of Right, if you don't know what that is, Google isn't going to make up for your lack of a GED.

4:01 PM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Angry man, you miss my point. It's a matter of degrees. Endorse as in I fully stand behind this organization or candidate? No. Qualified support for a specific reason? Yes.

But to better deflect your attack on me, if endorse and support were the same word they'd be spelled the same and have the same entries in the dictionary. But you are tricky, inviting me to compare your misquoted word to what was actually written in the article. Don't blame me for your poor citation skills. My proudly acquired 8th grade eduation taught me a few things about how to properly support an argument, and it didn't involve making stuff up.

Now let me see here, who never appears in public without their props... I dunno, firefighters, policemen, priests, television reporters.... Oh, you object to his specific uniform! The cigar! Well, I object to Rick Perry's hair and the democrat's eyeglasses, and I've never seen Rick Perry in public with a buzz cut or that other guy willing to face the voters without hiding behind his optical wear! But I'm not going to base my vote on that, because although I'm not impressed at how their handlers dress them up, I don't think that should be what determines an election.

StopKinky, make him stop!

5:17 PM

 
Blogger StopKinky said...

When I hear, "StopKinky, make him stop!" I'm reminded of that scene in Rocky where he's getting pummeled and everyone is begging Rocky to "stay down."

You're getting pretty badly beaten, anonymous. My advice: "stay down." This guy is clearly over your intellectual weight class.

9:00 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would someone please tell StopKinky that "that scene in Rocky..." isn't an appropriate response to an issue-laden comment thread?

Honestly, you quit gazing at your autographed photo of Grandma long enough to reply and all we get is a stale movie reference?

Your boat is swift, Stopkinky, but it seems to be running out of gas.

Have I overestimated your ability to run a dirty politics blog?

4:39 PM

 
Blogger StopKinky said...

Anonymous:

Tom Harrell was beating your arguments so badly that I thought adding my own response would seem like I was kicking you when you were already down.

I generally agree with Tom's response. If you want more detail on Kinky's flip flops on immigration, I will reply in a new thread on the front page.

Otherwise, if there is any question not answered either by Tom's responses to your posts or in my new front-page post on Kinky's immigration flip flips, please let me know and I'll try to respond specifically.

11:50 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You've posted twice now in this thread without addressing my questions. I'll use bold here so you're less likely to (deliberately?) overlook them.

Can I challenge you? What is this "FAIR IMMIGRATION POLICY" you speak of? I've heard a lot of ideas, and a lot of reasonable people disagree on this, so I'm genuinely curious what that looks like from your position.

I understand the purpose of this blog is to throw rocks rather than make any valuable (or honest, for that matter) contribution to the debate. For that reason I expect you to decline to answer.

Don't you see, based on your ably quoted sources, the other candidates have no more solid footing on the issue of immigration?

Of course you do--you must have some grasp of the obvious--but again, that's not your point. Your blog is called StopKinky. There's nothing inherently wrong with that if you're honest with your criticism, but the the trouble is, you're not honest. Why deliberatly create false impressions through selective quoting? Am I wrong to assume you read all those articles in their entirety?

Is iron-clad, Bush-like, hard-headedness really what you want in a candidate, especially one who hasn't ever held the office?

Really, no one you profess to be considering voting for has any experience as governor of Texas. By my estimation, they've all got a lot to learn. Or maybe they don't. Afterall, how hard could it be? I hate to break it to you, everything your candidates propose today is not what will happen in that alternative universe where he or she gets elected. I stand by my statement: I have a candidate who at least admits he's got a few things to learn whom I trust to make reasonable decisions when he gets into office. He's not beholden to political party or lobby. He's intelligent, not interested in pandering, and he keeps good company with the kind of people who care about the welfare of this state and its citizens. He will have those same good, knowledgable people available for consultation throughout his term in office. And it will be one term. Politics is, as it should be, a temporary calling, not a career for this man.

Bonus question:
Do you see any irony in your application of the "flip flop" label to Perry's chief opponent in this election?

Afterall, it was Bush's underlings who used the same tactic to attack their boss's chief opponent in 2004. Is that the implicit association you wish to make?

Whew! Looking back on all that, I don't know if I'm getting any kind of decent return on my investment. You and your alter-ego/co-worker Tom are not any kind of receptive audience, and everyone else reading this (cue crickets chirping) can see how bogus your attacks are when they actually read the sources you cite. In the end, I'm not getting paid to post here. You perhaps are. I hope it's worth it to you, but as for me, they couldn't pay me enough to disregard my political integrity.

¡Viva Kinky!

10:38 PM

 
Blogger Chad Kosacz said...

I would not exactly call myself partial to tha Kinkster or his partna Jewford, but if he can get the 10000 National Guard Troops on the border(with ammo) Than he just might be alright. Moreover, he could win because of the ubove mentioned issue. Many Texans think the illegal immigration one of the top issues and their feeling very betrayed by the Status Quo.
He does wantto allow the people from Mexico who want to work- Friedman said he would require immigrants to buy "taxpayer I.D. cards" that would allow them to work legally in Texas, and proposed fines of up to $50,000 against employers who hire illegal immigrants without the card.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/4169022.html
If Strayhorn was out of the Race he (tha Kinster) would probably win
But as it stands Gov. Perry will be relected and then things will get interesting

3:09 AM

 
Blogger TheLongHaul said...

Figuring this thing about the "trigger" bill had to be some sort of mistake, because Kinky Friedman is pro-choice, I contacted the Friedman Campaign to set the record straight. Here is the campaigns response from Laura Stromberg. I bet few bloggers against Kinky will cover this or retract their statements, or even bother to contact the source to verify the false claims.

Robert,

Thank you for your note.

The trigger bill statement was an unfortunate mix-up in communication. Kinky is pro-choice. He supports a woman's right to choose. He would veto the kind of bill discussed on Mr. Patrick's show.

Thanks again,
Laura

Laura Stromberg
Press Secretary
Kinky Friedman for Governor 2006
laura@kinkyfriedman.com
512.326.5465 office
512.689.7393 mobile
www.kinkyfriedman.com

09/13/2006 11:32 AM

And also your attempts at making Kinky out to be some sort of racist, you are totally wrong, totally misquoting out of context, and adding your own spin on the truth.

"tar baby"

A "tar baby" is metaphorically any "sticky situation."

"Negro talking to himself"

I personally, on Sat. Sept. 9th in San Antonio, met with Kinky and Jewford. Jewford and I got to talking for a bit, and I asked him what Kinky meant when he said:

"As a general rule of thumb, however, if you thought of New York as a Negro talking to himself and of California as a VCR with nothing to put in, you wouldn't be too far off the mark."

Friedman, Kinky (1993), A case of Lone Star. New York (Wings Books), 379

Jewford told me back when him and Kinky lived in NYC, that is the reality of what was going on. On the streets where they bar and club hopped, there were addicts, druggies, fiends, all over the place, many of them happened to be black. This, Jewford said, was the truth back then. About California, the people there were superficial.

"crackheads and thugs"

The truth hurts.

"Tejano teenagers"

"He said Tejano teenagers marching for immigration reform this month were 'half showing pride, half playing hooky.' And he said Texas leaders are 'too afraid to offend anyone' to make tough decisions about the 'scads of illegal Mexicans' in the state.'"

If you watched these protests and what the TEENAGERS were saying when interviewed, you would agree.

In conclusion based on your statement at Good Reasons to Support Chris Bell, "I think our top priority must be to defeat Rick Perry in November," it should be safe to say that if Kinky Friedman is predicted to win on election eve he'll get your vote. We'll welcome you with open arms, and all the work you did was for nothing.

Oh yeah and also....

The United Negro College Fund
Negro League Baseball Museum

Negro Spirituals and Gospel Music

Black Baseball's Negro Baseball Leagues

National Council of Negro Women

JSTOR: The Journal of Negro History

The Journal of Negro Education

The National Association of Negro Business and Professional Women’s
Clubs, Inc.

National Negro Committee now known as the NAACP

Bill Cosby FREQUENTLY uses the word "negro"

"Negro is a charming word."

12:34 AM

 
Blogger Jonny.utsa said...

The New Skeptical Review blog is not a Kinky blog, please dont post about him on it. We only mentioned him as it related to an immigration debate held at UTSA, and as a campaign issue. We really dont care about Kinky.

7:15 AM

 
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Hum......didn't the Mexican's kick the shit out of the guys in the Alamo?

Is this his policy? Don't take a stand cuz the Mexican will kick the shit out of us?

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